Should I remove a coin that nobody heard about, but Krause ? [Resolvido]

Saint Helena

1 Pound 1980 - KM# 21

Into the unknown, into the inknoooown

Maybe a comment saying that this probably doesn't exist is better. 

An interesting problem. I agree, add a comment about it rather than deleting it. 

It can be deleted at a later date when confirmation that it doesn't exist is available. Such confirmation would be its omission from one or two more up to date catalogues, for example.

Thanks for your advices, I'll add a comment.

Proving something doesn't exist is nearly impossible. Look at all the magical sky daddies we unfortunately still have to deal with.

As someone once said, “Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there!”

I did something similar with the Canadian 1967 50% silver dime : N#230727

radrick007

As someone once said, “Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there!”

Just because you can't disprove something, doesn't make it real. – Bigfoot

You have to weigh up the available evidence, and make an informed decision.

No, if a coin does not exist it shall not be listed…even with a comment “it does not exist".

It is not because it is in Krause that it exists (plenty of counter examples are known).

If there is no evidence it exists (no member can provide pictures, the coin is nowhere at auctions or on dealers or information sites), then it should be removed until existence is proven.

Idolenz

Proving something doesn't exist is nearly impossible. Look at all the magical sky daddies we unfortunately still have to deal with.

by the way, Russell's teapot lies in the trunk of tesla and flies precisely in orbit Russell said. moreover, the teapot was deliberately placed in the tesla without documentation, to prove its existence is also impossible. but it is.

God has a sense of humor.

"Numista Rarity index: 97"

It looks like one person here has this coin. 😂

JRo69

radrick007

As someone once said, “Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there!”

Just because you can't disprove something, doesn't make it real. – Bigfoot

😄

Ben-jamin

“Numista Rarity index: 97”

It looks like one person here has this coin. 😂

It is even less the proof of its existence 😉, 

nevertheless I asked in the forum of the referents the name of this collector to try to contact him.

Frenchlover

Ben-jamin

“Numista Rarity index: 97”

It looks like one person here has this coin. 😂

It is even less the proof of its existence 😉, 

nevertheless I asked in the forum of the referents the name of this collector to try to contact him.

I have similar situation with some Alderney coins… probably Krauze errors copied to Numista. I obtained the nicks of individual users who marked these coins as “in my collection” for 7 or 8 coins, asked them for pictures and I had answer only in one case. Another one user answered that we want to have this coin (wrongly added to collection instead to wishlist). So this rarity “97” is not yet the proof…

The biggest case with not existing coins I had was with Alderney Footbal Players series of 22 coins when only 8 was issued and collection stopped. So we removed remaining 14 coins. Krauze did multiple errors with wrong denomination like 100 Pounds instead 1000 Pounds and collectors who have 1000 Pounds add the coin second time.

The coin here has been deleted. No evidence it exists.

@MMowiec: I will proceed with what you sent me through PM for coins to delete, thanks 👍

Do we haver any precaution to prevent their return e.g. when the referee changes and someone wants to add them again because they are listed in KM?

I try to add some notes to the existing coins that is connected in any way with the removed page (like series of 22 coins that only 8 exists - I added info about to all 8 existing coins; for 2011 Royal Wedding never issued coins I added info to the ones with 2010 Royal Engagement and this can be also found when entering wrong km# in search field) but sometimes removed coin is not connected with any other (probably the case from first post in this topic) so hard to add relevant note.

+1 about not presuming existence only based on one catalog (known for its mistakes btw)

Best long term solution here is in my opinion to write to Krause publishers to push for fixes in next issues.

I regularly write to french online numismatics stores like CGB or Numiscorner, to make them fix errors (huge sometimes, but copy-pasted nevertheless) I found through Numista entries I corrected. They usually do it in 4 to 8 weeks.