I have found several matches for the coin below, as a Carlos IV, 1 Real coin, but it appears under numerous different South American countries. How can I tell which country it comes from ?
Reoriented. If we can determine what the initials are in the blue circle on the reverse, that would be the mint mark and where it was minted. The yellow circle is the assayer. Working on it. Difficult to make out for me. Is it clearer to you in hand? Here is a link that will help determine mintmarks and the associated colony. You probably can make the determination from there but I think I see NR which would be Bogota / Colombia.
Reoriented. If we can determine what the initials are in the blue circle on the reverse, that would be the mint mark and where it was minted. The yellow circle is the assayer. Working on it. Difficult to make out for me. Is it clearer to you in hand?
Hi, thanks for the reply …. The blue circle looks like an MR , followed by .IR. Followed by what looks like I.J in the yellow circle …. Does that help or make sense ?
Sorry, I was editing my post and working on it while you posted. Please note my edits since your post. Cant be MR. .Possibly the very close NR mint mark.
I think it is this one 1793 NR JJ. Yes, sometimes the J will resemble an I, but that is just how some of these colonials were rather crudely minted. Additionally the 1 R is the denomination between the mint mark and the assayers initials.
I think it is this one 1793 NR JJ. Yes, sometimes the J will resemble an I, but that is just how some of these colonials were rather crudely minted. Additionally the 1 R is the denomination between the mint mark and the assayers initials.
1) the Colombian Carlos IV 1 Real coins of that period (1792-1804) show the mintmark of Nuevo Reino with a period in between (N . R), as the numista example you gave in this thread shows very clearly.
This period is not visible in Coincoll22's coin.
2) since unfortunately I don't have the 1793 piece in good shape, here a 1791 1 REAL IJ from Peru with the mintmark LIMAE in monogram .
Please compare the assayer's initials in coincoll22's coin with the initials in this one; the "I" and the “J” a clearly different in the peruvian coin; in the colombian case they are not, because the initials are JJ.
And please compare de LIMAE monogram in conincoll22's coin with this one.
3.- Here a scheme of the most important Latin-American mintmarks in Spanish times, including the Lima monogram based on the latin name LIMAE. This monogram is mostly recognisable only as a ME in worn coins.
We must compare apples to apples and date to date and not cherry pick to suit our arguments. Not all Bogota mint marks were separated by a dot. NR and N.R. Here is another example of a 1793 NR JJ 1 real. Again, the J resemble an I.
Yes, you are right, some of the colombian 1 Real 1793 have a dot and some don't. But in both cases, the N and R of the mintmark are clearly separated and not “merged” like in coincoll's coin.
And yes, you are right in comparing apples with apples …. in doing so, I don't see in the ucoin.net picture you provided the same first “J” as in coincoll's coin! This one has an “I” which ressembles a Roman 1 with a straight horizontal stroke and not a broken stroke like in a “J” like the ucoin.net one.
Perhaps. I attributed that to PMD. Tough to be absolutely 100% certain on a worn coin. The OP can better decide what he wants to attribute his coin to with coin in hand.
