Haiti 1 centime 1846 AN 43 - two different coins. Help on identification

Hi all, 

I have these two coins in my collection and I classified them as KM25,1 and 25,2 because according to WCSC descriptions and pictures, the first is dated AN 43 and has a larger ribbon while the second is dated AN.43 and has a smaller ribbon, the wreaths and the stars are also quite different. Maybe that the first one is KM24? 

The world coins is not very clear regarding the differences between the 3 kinds, just one mm of difference in size, while here on Numista's page I can see some more differences (where they have been taken from?)

the left coin has a diameter of 21,7 mm and a weight of 2,61 g

the right one has a diameter of 21,5 mm and a weight of 2,52 g

Can someone express his opinion about the correct identification of these coins?

Any help is appreciated, thank you!

Ciao,

Dario

N#38030

KM# 24 has no beads on the edge.  

KM# 25.1 has no dot between AN and 43.

KM# 25.2 has a dot between AN and 43.

I believe the comment on  the coin page and the graphic may be in error.

@Sjoelund  ?

I agree with you and this is the reason I made this post, I think that some of those information might be wrong and not respective of World Coins descriptions. Maybe all together we can fix them?

Is this graphic now OK? Fell free to use it in a CR.

Hi Ole thanks for your job. 

I wouldn't use the first picture for KM25,1 because in my opinion it belongs to a KM24 coin. Just like 2 centimes coins, the larger ones (KM24 and KM26) have the accent above the “É” of Égalite.

KM 25,1 in SCWC pictures has larger ribbon and larger star (like mine) and the axe is not larger than 25,2 but just triangular shaped  and the hat doesn't look larger than KM 25,2, so I wouldn't point on it as a deciding factor to distinguish them.

I have modified the graphic using your km25.1 for the 4 photos. Remark the pick-count in the fasces?

Better now?

In my opinion is much better, any other opinion looking at its own coin? Do they match with these pictures and comments? 

I think the main difference and the easiest to see is the dot between the AN and 43.  As far as the axe and hat, until you look at many more coins it may be confusing to say for certain anything about them. SCWC states for the km25.2, “Varieties exist in style of wreath, legend and axe head.”  What you say for these two coins is true but may not be true for all the coins of the same type.  I'd go with the KISS philosophy and only state the most important difference, the dot.

It might happen that the “dot zone” is unreadable and the other differences could be helpful, if they exist for all the coins of course. 

I think, the best is to let it stay as it is now. If the dot isn't there, the other differences might be?

OK but the “Straight hat” has to be changed to "small hat" since you already have an example of it not straight. Make the other one “big hat” again.

Rsirian the first picture you are referring to (the upper one) is a km24 so I suggest not to use it

I didn't want to use the picture. Do you know that all KM25.1  have a straight hat?

We always have the WCSC pictures as a reference when available

OK

Gentlemen,

this graphic is based on the 25.1 images from the OP!

So what's wrong?

Nothing. I said OK to the OP.

Did someone requested to add the new picture to the page? Otherwise I can do it 

Darioelle

Did someone request to add the new picture to the page? Otherwise I can do it 

The coin picture on the page is good. Just replace the graphic with the new one.

Darioelle

Darioelle

Did someone request to add the new picture to the page? Otherwise I can do it 

 

You have to download the graphic to your disk and then insert it as an image in the comments section, if you just copy the image, it can not be opened in zoom mode.