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New variant for the Belgium 1916 10 Centimes?
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I found this coin on E Bay ( No Dots before or after date) and I was wondering if this would be considered a new variant for the Belgium 1916 10 Centimes.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces514.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces514.html
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yes, they are hiding here :)
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Citação: "Dato Mikeladze"yes, they are hiding here :)Hard to believe that much wear there and not so much on the whole coin. Maybe the die was wore in that area.Thanks Ed
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I am actually going to disagree on this one. I have just ran it through every filter I have and no real outlining to show the dots are there. If you stare at any surface and keep telling yourself you are looking for a small dot, then you will see a small dot even if you are looking at a blank piece of paper.
Two examples I have done is negative contrasting and emboss edge detection.
The negative shows no visible signs of a dot
The edge detection shows no pixel distorting where the dots would be
I of course may be wrong, I could solve it if the image was flash photographed with a sharp image, more than its present image state.
I have heard of the no dots and no first dot, but I don't think I have seen other variants that I can recall.
Two examples I have done is negative contrasting and emboss edge detection.
The negative shows no visible signs of a dot
The edge detection shows no pixel distorting where the dots would be
I of course may be wrong, I could solve it if the image was flash photographed with a sharp image, more than its present image state.
I have heard of the no dots and no first dot, but I don't think I have seen other variants that I can recall.
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Here is a shot in brighter light. Ed
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No evidence of dots after enhancing the image in multiple forms, the rippled "flake" appearance is the coins surface (Good example of why you don't clean coins, it removes that thin surface that you cannot see)
There is no distorting of the coin surface on either side of the date.
Both of these are done in the form of 3D Bump mapping as well as light enhancing in multiple directions to show even the tiniest of imperfections on the surface. The one on the right is a negative (colouring reversed) just to make absolutely sure.
There is no distorting of the coin surface on either side of the date.
Both of these are done in the form of 3D Bump mapping as well as light enhancing in multiple directions to show even the tiniest of imperfections on the surface. The one on the right is a negative (colouring reversed) just to make absolutely sure.
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This is the other variant I have.
You notice there is no dots on top of the last E in Belgie either. Ed
The picture was taken under bright lights. Ed
You notice there is no dots on top of the last E in Belgie either. Ed
The picture was taken under bright lights. Ed
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Hmmm, very difficult to say. It looks like it's possible there is a dot at the left side of the date under the red line. The bow you see there might be from a dot an then it is on the correct spot (correct distance, correct height). At the right side there is nothing I think. Like Fluke said, if you keep staring there you also might see something like a bow that might be a part of a dot, but then it's not at the correct spot, so my guess is that there is no dot on the right side of the date.
Anyhow, according to the official Belgian catalog, there is no variety without a dot on both sides. There is a variety with a dot only at the left side, and a variety with a dot only at the right side:
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After double checking, you are right about there being no variant for no dots. That makes it even more perplexing.
The best way I would try is to get it under a high magnification scope. Image enhancements are only as good as the image provided.
This is one that was labelled as dot after date only but you can make out on this one where the dot is on the left. The arrows indicate the edges of the dot, top left shows the clearest curve.
This is what it would look like under a digi scope. As you can see, it shows the missing dot compared to the image above that was taken with a digital camera and then enhanced.
Hopefully you can get a solid answer on these, very interesting indeed.
The best way I would try is to get it under a high magnification scope. Image enhancements are only as good as the image provided.
This is one that was labelled as dot after date only but you can make out on this one where the dot is on the left. The arrows indicate the edges of the dot, top left shows the clearest curve.
This is what it would look like under a digi scope. As you can see, it shows the missing dot compared to the image above that was taken with a digital camera and then enhanced.
Hopefully you can get a solid answer on these, very interesting indeed.
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Citação: "Fluke"After double checking, you are right about there being no variant for no dots. That makes it even more perplexing.I would be willing to sent this coin to anyone with a High Magnification Scope to verify this for sure. Ed
The best way I would try is to get it under a high magnification scope. Image enhancements are only as good as the image provided.
This is one that was labelled as dot after date only but you can make out on this one where the dot is on the left. The arrows indicate the edges of the dot, top left shows the clearest curve.
This is what it would look like under a digi scope. As you can see, it shows the missing dot compared to the image above that was taken with a digital camera and then enhanced.
Hopefully you can get a solid answer on these, very interesting indeed.
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Citação: "Essor Prof"Weak dot after the date, see description for 438c. No dot before the date..
Citação: "tony.c"I think the coin in this thread has a very weak dot after the date, so it is 438c.You mean a very weak dot before the date I suppose?
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Solved after Ed sent these to me.
1916 with no dots, is in fact a normal but oddly worn variety. Both dots are present after enhancing.
1916 with no dots, is in fact a normal but oddly worn variety. Both dots are present after enhancing.
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Citação: "Fluke"Solved after Ed sent these to me.Thank You Fluke - happy but sad " but " the mystery is solved. Ed
1916 with no dots, is in fact a normal but oddly worn variety. Both dots are present after enhancing.
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At least you have a new variety with the 1917 to help soothe the disappointment that this one turned out normal. 
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Interesting will be watching. Ed
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Citação: "Coinage77"I can also say that it's not a mark in the zinc the pic above is under 5.5 magnification and I was able to confirm that it's a definite raised dot.Still not positive - photo is blurry.
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heres a 10x pic.it looks like it could be a die failure of some type.
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Citação: "Coinage77"looks to me it could be a dotheres a 10x pic.it looks like it could be a die failure of some type.
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not convinced
When looking at the shading it looks like it is a hole. The raised elements clearly have a shadow on the left side (lighting is on the right), but this "extra dot" seems to have the shade on the right and not on the left (so incuse).
just my 2 eurocents
When looking at the shading it looks like it is a hole. The raised elements clearly have a shadow on the left side (lighting is on the right), but this "extra dot" seems to have the shade on the right and not on the left (so incuse).
just my 2 eurocents
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Citação: "BramVB"not convincedAlso not convinced, not convinced at all:
When you click on the picture to further enlarge it, the right dot still is a dot, but there's nothing more left on the left spot.
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Citação: "BramVB"Exactly. Notice how the shadows are on opposite sides. That's because the one is above the surface and the other is into the surface. Not a bump but possible a corrosion pit.
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