Could not find the subject of the description

It is a question about numista catalog, such as
PRC KM#1-3
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1005.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1221.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1219.html

Every line in date distribution describes some type of letters.

Sorry, most probably my teachers had bad skills in teaching how to read, but this subject of the description, i.e. 'letters', completely vanish from my attention on all about 400 coins that I examined.

Can anyone explain, where are the letters hidden and help to solve this riddle?

Yes, I remember a post on here a few years ago that asked the same question.
I will see if I can find it again.

Here it is from three years ago ...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic23973.html

Thank you for your reply. This difference in mints is well known. It is not the point.

The question is where are letters on these 3 groups of coins?

It is right there? It is explained in the forum posts mentioned above.
Fonts are different, thats just all.

Come on Jarcek you are long enough on Numista to know cyprus and his anal retentive phases.
He most likely knows what is meant but because there are no real "letters" like AaBbCc on the coin but Chinese characters he will keep on going

Citação: "cyprusalexander"​​
​Can anyone explain, where are the letters hidden and help to solve this riddle?

It is shown on this page below (1 Fen for example), and is the way the characters are written,
so is not hidden. The page is from the good site of 'cobra' Numista member.

http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/FICHES/Chine/CHINE%201%20FEN%20km%201.pdf

Citação: "Idolenz"​Come on Jarcek you are long enough on numista to know cyprus and his anal retentive phases.
​He most likely knows what is meant but because there are no real "letters" like AaBbCc on the coin but Chinese characters he will keep on going

​I never give up on people. But yes, it is probable he will.

Thank you for the extra link. It is an excellent review about the same difference between 2 mints. (The second page is not about the 1 fen of course but it gives the idea nevertheless).

Still the question is left: where are exactly letters on these coins? Maybe mine 4x magnification tool is not enough to find them?

Letters are Chinese. https://www.google.cz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=chinese%20letters

They are on the obverse.

Dear Jarcek!

Thank you for the help. It seems, that you suppose that there is a mistake: instead of "letters" there should be "characters". At least your suggestion of the link clearly shows that there are no letters, that can be seen under 4x magnification on these coins. The one site, that you cited, that is

http://www.linguanaut.com/chinese_alphabet.htm

really explains the writing Chinese with letters. Obviously, every numismatist knows them very well and we don't need any external link to prove it, for the local Authorities indeed write Chinese with letters on coins and banknotes for illiterates (such as beginners and tourists). See both images of a recently struck coin, which is the excellent sample of it: http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,366630346,language,E.html

No, the Numista catalog means real letters, not the Chinese characters.
It is clearly shown in the first post. Have a look, let's take your point of view and suppose, that the word "letters" means "characters". Then we oblige to conclude that in the 3id link of the first post for 1976 there are 2 types of characters. From the link in the link of the second post (we can not use the link in the 6th post anymore, for it describes some fantasy, we are speaking about catalog, that is, we need reality) it comes, that indeed there are 2 mints that make coins with different styles of characters. For the coin in question there is only Shanghai production (see the image of a real coin http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,366629657,language,E.html that verifies this statement).

Now we have a contradiction: in 1976 there was just one mint, it means there is only one style of characters. The Numista catalog describes:
1976 Modern letters
1976 Stylized letters, different font

It means, that the 'letters' are not 'characters' and have nothing to do with legends in Chinese on coins.

That is why this post was created. Where are the letters in question? I still can not find them.

I admire you, Jarcek. Personally I gave up after the "hidden catalogue" farce, and I think most others have given up on this troll as well.

Thanks g00n .

I must admit, I did not read the whole thing. It must have taken a lot of time to write. You actually wrote many letters/characters, trying to somehow say that characters are not letter. But they are, they are exactly the same thing.

https://www.google.cz/search?q=chinese+characters&rlz=1C1CHMO_csCZ522CZ522&oq=chinese+chara&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.3766j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.cz/search?q=chinese+letters&rlz=1C1CHMO_csCZ522CZ522&oq=chinese+letters&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3512j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

This pretty sums it up. Characters = letters.

Yes, we miss images to show this variants on the coin sheet, but description is just fine.

Regards,
CTL

Citação: "cyprusalexander"Can anyone explain, where are the letters hidden?

I think the letters are hidden in the hidden part of the catalog.

Yes, you are right.

Before writing about catalog we oblige to be sure about every fact. Yes, it is not an easy reading, it is a catalog, and our responsibility is at least to respect it.

We got evidences that the referee of the articles knows the difference between terms 'letter' and 'character' and these terms are used correctly without substituting the terms by speculations. But the articles are still miss the subject of the description.

At the same time the person who admits that he is lazy not just to think, but to read a few lines, having enough power to make the corrections to clarify the subject of description, issued the next excuses (how many else?) and during all these weeks made nothing.

Hmmmm....

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens

Against stupidity the gods themselves fight unvictorious
Against stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Ole

Looks like there is a small progress in the descriptions.

1. No differences are mentioned in https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1221.html
Though the source of information http://www.papertoys.com/modernchinacoins/2-FEN.html gives 2 varieties in 1984: that year both mints struck coins and difference between them is in the style of Chinese characters.

2. The article https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1005.html got a strange image
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/images/59c777906a7f7.jpg
This image use images of 5 fen which are described in https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1219.html
Maybe it is worth to add some words, like 'The difference between Shenyang and Shanghai mints on example of 5 fen'. In addition this image by mistake the Chinese characters names 'letters'. In PRC the legends on money are in Chinese characters and in Pinyin Romanization letters. That is why it will be at least polite to use correct terms. What is the most confusing is that the image gives list of dates and the dates with images of 1 fen are omitted!

3. But as it was already revealed in the post on 14-Mar-2016, 12:22PM we still have unsolved mystery of 5 fen 1976 in the article https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1219.html

The source of information http://www.papertoys.com/modernchinacoins/5-FEN.html gives Shanghai mint only.

The Numista catalog has two lines with mysterious 'letters'
1976 350,000 Modern letters
1976 Stylized letters, different font

Where are the letters in question?

Hi,

Chinese writing has no letters, the characters are called logographics!!!!

Anyway the logographics do not exist in the two types mentioned, the only differences are in the two different mints as shown below.

Please join the year lines, so that people will not have to distinguish between the two mints. For type collectors it's uninteresting and honestly I don't think most other collectors will be able to distinguish between the two mints. I do it for my collection, but I'm me!
Ole

Hi,

Chinese writing has no letters, the characters are called logographics!!!!

Anyway the logographics do not exist in the two types mentioned, the only differences are in the two different mints as shown below.

Please join the year lines, so that people will not have to distinguish between the two mints. For type collectors it's uninteresting and honestly I don't think most other collectors will be able to distinguish between the two mints. I do it for my collection, but I'm me!
Ole

Hi,

Chinese writing has no letters, the characters are called logographics!!!!

Anyway the logographics do not exist in the two types mentioned, the only differences are in the two different mints as shown below.



Please join the year lines, so that people will not have to distinguish between the two mints. For type collectors it's uninteresting and honestly I don't think most other collectors will be able to distinguish between the two mints. I do it for my collection, but I'm me!
Ole