Canadian 1971 penny want info

I found a 1971 Canadian penny looking to see if it's a error the date + Canada + 1 cent is blurry and I don't know if the damage was at the mint. Any help will be greatis ble

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PMD post mint damage

I don’t think so, looking at the Reverse there is definitely traces of ghost leaves along with the speckle like fields, this I don’t think is pmd. So it begs the question is the gouge something that happened during the striking, causing the imperfections in the fields and the ghosting effect - something like an object between blank and die which caused an imperfect strike, the gouge, and then clearing quickly causing the second (more detailed) strike?

The obverse isnt in focus, so it is hard to examine visually. Request another image please?

Edit; Extra thought - maybe the blank wasn’t flat and got caught by the side of the dies coming together, causing the two gouges on both sides, which forced the blank into the die recess (but not exactly at first) causing the weak ghost strike, followed by the more visible obvious strike.

Good morning first of thanks for your quick response.I am new to this so do you think this was done at the mint when it was made? I will get some more clear picture to you right away. Thanks again

Mortal

Good morning first of thanks for your quick response.I am new to this so do you think this was done at the mint when it was made? I will get some more clear picture to you right away. Thanks again

At first glance, I definitely thought like Sjoelund , post mint damage - but the more I look at the reverse, the more I think it could have been done while minting. 
A photo in a mirror showing both sides (so correlation of gouges to each other) will also help?

@Sjoelund do you still think pmd?

I'm not at home with all my equipment and numista on phone is not good enough to see anything like you mentioned.

Sjoelund

I'm not at home with all my equipment and numista. My phone is not good enough to see anything like you mentioned.

N#432

Sorry for the poor pics. I am going to try to get a couple with the mirror like you said but I am going to find a smaller mirror.Thanks for your time I will be InTouch 

What do you think of the lettering on the coin it seem all messed up to the date Canada and the 1 cent.I see that someone put up some real nice picture of the coin

Thanks for doing that.So if this was done at the time of the strike would this be a legitimate error coin?

Mortal

What do you think of the lettering on the coin it seem all messed up to the date Canada and the 1 cent.I see that someone put up some real nice picture of the coin

Thanks for doing that.So if this was done at the time of the strike would this be a legitimate error coin?

Those images are just your images cropped, so as I said before the Obverse is out of focus, so it is hard to tell anything from that image.

I can’t really comment anymore until seeing the new images, but yes if it was done during the minting process at the mint, it will be a minting error.

Hard to believe this coin traveled around for 54 years in that condition.

I buy coins from a bank in Prince Albert Saskatchawan.I get about $40 at a time and I find a lot of 1970s coin in that shape

I meant in that “mint error” condition.

O I am new to this so I really don't know to much about how this happens I have had it for a while now just thought I would gets some help from people with experience.I think when I got the penny's at the bank I got a part of some one coin collection that where it came from

Rsilian 1 if you have anything that might help feel free to let me know

Thanks

“Mint errors” as drastic as that tend to get snatched up very quickly. It surprises that it wouldn't have been put aside as a mint error by now. That was my point. 

Ya I agree I have had it for a while just sitting in my penny's just found it last night so I thought I should try to get someone to have a look I got it from the bank with a bunch of old 1920s Canadian penny's so it think someone got rid of there coin collection and it has been sitting for a long time

Ah yes, same speckled look in the fields on the Obverse, but no ghosting that I can see. I notice that the high points of QEIIs face seem to be missing detail (or at least look smoother), compared to the rest of the coin. And the gouges are in the same place (roughly) so I would say more than likely pinched between two moving parts, if this happened in blank production or during minting, I am not sure.

I think this is definitely not post mint damage, would you agree @rsirian1 ? But I am not a great expert on minting, so I am finding it hard to work out how this has happened - other members who know more about the process might have some ideas. Apart from my first two original thoughts, I am now thinking that the only way that this could happen is if the blank / planchet was damaged in this weird way to start with and thus didn’t sit well between the dies when struck? 
 

Nice find, might be worth a few $£€

Well thank you King I know a lot more now then I did last night. Thank for your help I appreciate it happy coin Hunting

I would say more than likely pinched between two moving parts, if this happened in blank production or during minting, I am not sure.

 

Apart from my first two original thoughts, I am now thinking that the only way that this could happen is if the blank / planchet was damaged in this weird way to start with and thus didn’t sit well between the dies when struck? 

Why couldn't this damage have occurred after being struck?  I'm not convinced either way but from sheet metal to blanks to planchets to finished coin there's not a lot of opportunity for a single blank to get pinched between two moving parts. Maybe one did or maybe one was damaged after it left the mint like this one which I made 5 minutes ago.

I don't know mine match up one on the bottom one on the top I am going to go with Kings scenario.lol 

rsirian1

I would say more than likely pinched between two moving parts, if this happened in blank production or during minting, I am not sure.

 

Apart from my first two original thoughts, I am now thinking that the only way that this could happen is if the blank / planchet was damaged in this weird way to start with and thus didn’t sit well between the dies when struck? 

Why couldn't this damage have occurred after being struck?  I'm not convinced either way but from sheet metal to blanks to planchets to finished coin there's not a lot of opportunity for a single blank to get pinched between two moving parts. Maybe one did or maybe one was damaged after it left the mint like this one which I made 5 minutes ago.

 

  

 

 

 

Yes of course, that is a possibility. 
 

I just think looking at OPs coin - the gouges dont look like they have damaged the details, but more the details seem to be poorly defined in the area where gouge meets details, thus logically details appeared after gouge. I think I am a big sceptic on this forum, but just this one time I think it is worth further investigation.

Anyway @Mortal if you want to know 100% I am sure NGC or PCGS have experts in mint errors and getting it slabbed would end the uncertainty for you / others and for the future if you wanted to sell it or pass it on. If it is Post Mint Damage, they will just send it back unslabbed. 

I rest with the PMD.

I agree with Sjoelund .. it is a shed job.

Mike

Ok I will look in to it further and maybe send it toget it checked and I will post what ever I find .Thanks guys it's been fun.

One more question would it be worth much if it was done at the mint.

Thanks

I think we have here a damaged rippled coin. Unfortunately, I don't know the explanation for the ripples, but I do have stored somewhere a couple such pennies.

I don't see how the dent would be related to the ripples in a cause-and-effect relation. It's most probably PMD IMHO but IDK for sure… 🙂